Are there any other Downloadable PDF Help manuals other than the native one by Eastgate?

I know of no other forum with the hands-on personal dedication of this forum, due in the main to @mwra’s tireless, round-the clock, and seemingly impossible-to-replicate dedication. I have never found a volunteer’s resource for any software comparable to aTbRef. I shudder when we see shade thrown on it.

Here’s the thing: no one learns and masters Tinderbox without simply opening the program and starting the hands-on experimentation and discovery that yield solid results. I would hazard that that journey is made more pleasant and rewarding because of Mark and his contributions.

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I think the message is clear. Offence toward @mwra is offence toward all. I can’t even begin to measure my gratitude for his patience, advice, and countless hours of unflinching service to this group and Tinderbox.

I was as disturbed as I’m sure many of us were to read that last comment. It comes across as incredibly snipish and passive—aggressive; stating something offensive and then saying “no offence meant” is passive aggressive at the least, and ungrateful in general, especially in context of all @mwra does and particularly in light of the current thread, wherein he and several other members have gone to extraordinary lengths to respond to and constructively support your AI indulgence.

This forum is all about constructive assistance, and constructive critique. Let’s keep that spirit alive. I also would be encouraged to see a straightforward and well-meant apology for this very tone-deaf and offhand dismissal.

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We all bow to the altar of @mwra…nothing but love and gratitude. :heart::folded_hands::person_bowing: :heart::folded_hands::person_bowing: :heart::folded_hands::person_bowing:

Support Mark and aTbRef fund

To this end, if you have the means, please consider donating to Mark and support his aTbRef efforts (he has real hard costs, not to mention time, to support it). Mark has set up a PayPal channel to receive donations for his work on aTbRef and the community. Or, if you don’t want to donate through this channel, you can always email him an Amazon UK eGift card, which he can use to redeem books and stuff to further and support his efforts.

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The aTbRef visual design does seem “pre-2000.”

That should be a badge of honor rather than cause for offense!

Great (and ever changing) complexity encapsulated in something simple and functional. Not easy to do.

Thanks for the tip about the PayPal channel.

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Hah. I don’t know what style guides people are using as reference. :rofl:

In truth, the current site was (re-)written c. 2009 in HTM5 to comply with Google spidering ‘regulations’ (aka “do this or we won’t index you”) and is responsive for different display forms.

If it ‘looks’ old, I can only assume people saying that didn’t use the Web in the last Millenium. I first used the Web in late '93 and wrote my first Web page in '95. This is not that.

zeigeist design != clarity

Admittedly, the site is written for people who can read at an adult level and understand how web links work. The only JavaScript is there for features people asked for : search, web indexing, and translation (not all users are native English speakers).

Maybe people just stopped reading in the new Millenium and that’s why it is ‘old’? :slight_smile:

On the design of aTbRef: if doing the CSS isn’t your cup of tea, here’s another approach.

  1. Copy a typical aTbRef page

  2. Paste it into In Design, or whatever design tool you prefer

  3. Restyle until it looks the way you’d like

  4. Annotate your restyled page, as you might for a design review. Call attention to what you’ve done, and why.

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