Finding notes that are identified by numbers on a chart

Hi Mark,

I am going back to previous help that you kindly gave me now that I seem to have found the instructions for what I need to do (TBX/Menu/Help/Actions and Dashboards), I should be able to do this.

I am trying to set up a query to find an element in an arrangement of notes similar to the Periodic Table as you described above. The prototypes for $Row and $Column appear in the drop-down list for prototypes. If I get column set up as numbers (Info/Document/User)Screen Shot 2020-06-05 at 5.37.20 , then $Row that I previously set up in the same way disappears.

What do you suppose the problem is?

Thank you for your help.

Ellen Madono

Glad you are making progress. :slight_smile:

From your second screenshot … it could be so many things. Could you please upload a TBX showing your problem. It doesn’t need to be your full work, just a small TBX showing the sproblem you are trying to solve. We need a common frame of reference. You can upload the TBX by drag-drop from your Mac’s Finder onto the message drafting box.

By ‘column’ I assume you mean the attribute Column? If so, it is important to remember that attribute names are case-sensitive. In code (action, queries, etc.) column and Column would refer to two different attributes.

Disappears from where? I’m sorry, but it is very difficult to follow what you are doing without a fuller description of what is going on. This is why I suggest you upload an example file so we have a common frame of reference.

Periodic Table trial.tbx (118.6 KB)

I just pasted the notes that are involved. Thank you.

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Thanks for that. I first observation is that conceptually rows & columns as an address only work as part of a grid of notes. How a container of ‘row’ notes and a separate container of column notes won’t work. By analogy, your TBX is arranged as if to have a spreadsheet with two sheets. The first has many rows and one column; the second, many columns and one row. You keep using the term ‘periodic table’, i.e. a grid like this:

640px-Simple_Periodic_Table_Chart-en.svg

If you are not using a grid, then using the term ‘periodic table’ is very confusing to those of us trying to help you as we imagine a layout like above and yet that is not what you appear to be making (I’m referring not so much the the current small tests, as in the overall thread)

Why do the numbered notes in the rows and columns use a non numerical sibling sequence? What is the logic of this?

Placing a note inside a prototype has no effect of itself. From your file:

Periodic Table trial.tbx 2020-06-05 09-55-27

What were you trying to achieve here with the nesting? Were you assuming the notes in the container would inherit from the prototypes? If so, that’s not how prototypes work. See this tutorial on prototypes and inheritance.

Your agent query doesn’t work as you have not created attributes for rows & columns ($Rows & $Columns). Thus you can’t test for values of them as your agent query tries to do:

($Row > 0 & $Row < 8)  & $Column >0 & $Column <19)

In the above you have also failed to check your parentheses are properly pairs: you have one opening parenthesis but two closing one. This may well cause the query logic to not work as you desire. Always balance parentheses. I suspect you meant:

($Row > 0 & $Row < 8)  & ($Column >0 & $Column <19)

Unless you are using minus or zero row/column value, it would be easier to write the above as:

$Row <= 7  & $Column <= 18

Even then, as you only have rows 1-7 and columns 1-18, it seems like you want all items in the ‘grid’. That would be easier if they all used a common prototype or a user boolean (ticked for grid notes). As it is this would probably work:

$Rows | $Columns 

N.B. this won’t work in your test file as these attributes aren’t defined. If they were, the query would match all notes that either has a non-default $Rows value OR and non-default $Columns value. Indeed, as this is a grid, any grid note would need both a row and a column value so testing the second in superfluous and the last query above could be made more efficient like so:

$Rows

Better might be to have a prototype ‘pGridItem’ that you apply to all gird items. Then you can use the query:

$Prototype=="pGridItem"

To find all gird items. Thus to find all items in grid column #4 (assuming you’ve made a $Column attribute):

$Prototype=="pGridItem" & $Column==4

Try fixing some of these issues and re-posting your solution in another small TBX. Having an example TBX to work from here has been most useful if getting a gauge of where you are.

Another things you might consider. Do you have the grid drawn out on paper. If you could link to a photo of it (or upload one) that too would be helpful in gauging how your TBX is representing your (data) model.

Here is the table that I am using. It is slightly different than a periodic table because it is designed to describe the clinical use of medicines

Yes, I am making the mistake that you are citing. I am trying to find a way to “collect” all notes containing for example "$Row1. Not just the intersection between #Row1 and #Column1 but also, any mention on of $Row1 alone.

My content is actually nested. That is because contrary to your expectation that a table should only contain elements, my table contains all forms of life and energy (Plants, intangible light, chemicals, animal products…). Especially the Plants are deeply buried in nested notes.


This is confusing to me and that is why I am trying to use TBX to lay it out as I am studying it. You see the numbers in front of each plant group name. That is part of the system describing where it relates to the $Rows on the Table.

Of course, parenthesis needs to be in pairs. I will follow that rule.

I think you are referring to Default below that could be 0 if the new attribute were not a number.
Screen Shot 2020-06-05 at 22.34.23

I marked Column and Row as number attributes at Info/document/User

  1. Note 4 is a reference for $Column==4 It has number user attribute.

  2. In the query note I opened Gear icon/Query thinking I could paste your query above. Not possible. So, I tried Gear icon/Action I could paste in your query, but no result when I opened sort. I tried sorting because that is what I saw in Queries and Documents. Looked at sorting. I want note 4 alias to appear in the query note.

Here is the big plan for content.

Here is what I did that does not work. I expecting to see an alias of note 4 in the query note.

Trial grid items.tbx (105.4 KB)

Thanks gain, the picture and files are a great help. To avoid too long a post, I may split this replies into several parts. The first part is about one of the building blocks. Above you show the Document Inspector’s User tab and appear to be trying to use it to set per-note values. This is not quite how things work with get/setting attribute values.

So, the Document Inspector’s User tab

This is used to:

  • create new user attributes and configure settings related to them (data type, default value (if any), etc.)
  • check/alter said details after creation
  • delete a user attribute (not all per-note values for that attribute are also deleted)

By comparison, this is the Document Inspector’s System tab is shown here:

By comparison, this lets you view (built-in) ‘system’ attribute details. All notes ‘have’ these attributes from the moment you create the note; even if you never use them, or view then, they are still there.

For system attributes you can set a different default value to that set at document creation, of (for some data types) give suggested values. Unlike user attribute, you can’t delete a system attribute, rename it, or change it’s data type (all things to do with care, even where you can!).

So we use the Document Inspector’s User tab to create an attribute ‘Rows’, that I’ll now refer to as $Rows. There are 5 ways to do this. I won’t number them as all are equally correct:

  • Key Attributes table in a note’s text pane. A value edit here affects only the current note.
  • Get Info/attributes tab, either as a pop-up or tear-off window. A value edit here affects only the current note.
  • Properties Inspector Quickstamp tab. A value edit here affects all currently selected note(s).
  • Apply a Stamp. A value edit here affects all currently selected note(s).
  • Action code (OnAdd, Rule, Edict, Agent Action. This sets whatever attribute(s) of whichever note(s) are in scope. N.B. a stamp is essentially a snippet of action code.

Note the first 3 all offer a search box (for Key Attributes in the KA configuration pop-over), so as long as you know the name of all/part of an attribute you can locate it without needing to know in which attribute Group is live, noting all user attributes are always in the ‘User’ group. If still unsure, aTbRef has an alphabetical list of all system attributes.

The most popular methods for working on attribute values appear to be Key Attributes and the Quickstamp. Note the thread here about Key Attributes and be aware the ‘Key’ part simply means you, the user, think those attributer(s)—of all those available—are worth having visible in a note’s text pane. Adding or removing an attribute from Key Attributes has no effect on that attribute’s value.

Also wonder if you have not been confusing the Document Inspector (System and User tabs) with the Properties Inspector (Quickstamp tab). Recall the first configures the attribute itself for the whole document, whereas the second sets the attribute’s value in all selected notes (i.e. one or more notes).

But you illustrate (ignoring the attribute name) the Document Inspector User tab with a Default value of ‘4’. That sets the attributes into value to 4 for all notes in the document. Hopefully my explanation above will show you why this is wrong.

The diagram you’ve shown is definitely not structurally a grid and would normally be described as an outline. In deed, exactly the sort of thing I did in my original demo for you a while back.

I still don’t set any rows and columns in that diagram, but I do see a 3-level outline.

I’ll return to the rest later, as I have to go out now, but thanks for the new TBX (which I have downloaded.)

OK, the “Trial grid items.tbx” is confusing. References to a query but no agent.

You have created $Row and $Column, but why have you set a default value of 5? To help it is important to understand what you think that change did.

You have a note called 4, but the $Row and $Column are both set to a value of 2. Yet your notes refer to a query of:

$Prototype=="pGridItem" & $Column==4

This will never find note ‘4’ because it needs to match. However, if I add an agent and set the query to:

$Prototype=="pGridItem" & $Column==2

The agent matches note 4. See this amended TBX, Trial grid items2.tbx (93.9 KB), which demonstrates this. I’ve deleted the map view tab as it is simply confusing things at this point. Until you have a comfortable grasp of how the attributes function, I’d suggest working in outline view, especially as the data structure in your earlier screen grab isan outline and won’t neatly flatten into a map.

You cannot imagine how meaningless terms like the system, document, stamps have been to me. I had a hard time following what you said to explain them, but I think I got it.

Usually when I look up something, it is explained one at a time. The relationship to the whole is never evident and I just get lost.

Stupid details help me to get lost. For example, the Key Attribute pop popover is accessed through the plus sign on the upper right corner of the text box for a note. I do not know this.
Add Displayed Attributes pop-over Instead of following the explanation in the text, I am asking how do I access that on the note? What is it for? What is the name of the popover? I know they are obvious to you, but to me, I need at least a name so when I forget everything you have told me, I can go back and look it up. If there were even a bubble the came up when I hovered the mouse over the plus sign, I would begin remembering what it is called and maybe its purpose. The next step is to answer what is it for?, but first I need a way to look up the information. This is all unfamiliar, so I will not remember it all. I look up explanations many times and sometimes make a little progress. Sorry. I am just not that smart about programs.

Also, the possibilities in a list that you kindly provided is helpful. I am trying to decide how to use TBX for my purposes. With no list of the possibilities, it is hard to decide what I should be doing. Honestly, I am unable to make that decision, but anyway, I am trying. Through comparison, the structure is a little clearer.

I am telling you this not as a complaint. It is clear that you are trying to get even people like me using TBX as more than pretty boxes. I deeply appreciate your effort.

The plant taxonomy is a three-level outline. In fact, it is not used as a 3 level outline. The levels are given numbers. They are explained to me as $Row and #Column as you would find in a table. For example, the 660.000 Asteranacea are all in row 6 of the table. 650.00 Malvanae are above the Asteranacea in row 5. Rows 6 and 5 have meanings that are coherent with the table of elements. Within their respective rows, each plant sub-group is described in a more elaborate way that does not even boil down to a simple outline. Relationships are made with notes that are not on the table. I will make links to other parts of my document to overcome this complexity. Nonetheless, the row and column of each plant family is a very important part of the identity of each plant subgroup under it. The practical purpose of this complexity is to use the overall system to find curative plant-medicines. There are many other methods, but this is the one that I am trying to learn through TBX. I am told to master the element chart system that I showed you and then use that to understand the structure for the plants. I think TBX would be able to organize this complexity, somewhat. Otherwise, I am using DEVONthink to look for words that are less systematically organized.

Thank you for your help.

I am sorry, but I do not understand what 2 refers to. I erased what you did by accident and tried to recreate it as “Find Column 4”. I see lots of numbers in the infrastructure, but do not understand what they refer to.

I see many numbers and they are all without references for me.

In pGridItem the query has has become an action.

So, how do I pull out note 4? Or maybe I don’t have to do that. It would be ideal if I could associate a note with the prototypes $Column or $Row and a specific number 1-18. Then if I could use a query that collects the notes associalted with the column or row that I supecified I could put my content notes on plants in the 3 level outline that we discussed and the problem would be solved.

But, the purpose of all this is not to just build the situation so that a query could be converted to an action. The larger goal is to figure out how this happens so I can apply it to a different situation.

Here is what I did.

Trial grid items2 (4).tbx (98.1 KB)

Sorry, I am not understanding very well.

The ‘2’ is a literal value, i.e. the value of an attribute. Thus the query:

$Prototype=="pGridItem" & $Column==2

matches a note whose prototype is ‘pGridItem’ and whose ‘Column’ attribute has the exact value of ‘2’. See documentation for the meaning of the ‘==’ operator).

I’m confused by your ‘Trial grid items2 (4).tbx’. You have pasted in the above query to the agent but as the document has no ‘pGridItem’ prototype defined (so there are no notes using such a prototype). OK, let’s simplify things and remove the prototype part of the query. In fact, I’ve removed the most of the extra notes from your example TBX and the map view tab.

In the following file, I’ve changed the agent query to:

$Column==2

What does the agent find? Please report.

Next, change the agent query to:

$Column==11

What does the agent find? Please report.

Lastly, change the agent query to:

$Column==7

What does the agent find? Please report.

† a ‘document’ is a discrete Tinderbox file. These usually have a ‘.tbx’ file extension when seen in Finder. N.B.: the Tinderbox can open more than one document at at time, but fewer users will likely do/need this. It can be useful though when making a small test file to try out a technique that isn’t working in a larker work document. For instance, for checking/copying structures into the work file or vice versa.

‡ Until you understand the real basics Tinderbox, and reflecting the challenges to understanding you describe, I strongly suggest you don’t use map view as it will only confuse you. Others reading this should not be dissuaded from using map view—this is direct advice to one specific user to help them get started.

Ouch! I thank your later note that your observation isn’t a complaint. But, I’m unclear how to make the tool much clearer. For instance, I gave links to all the terms above, but if you don’t understand the linked information, why don’t you ask? If you read a linked article, tell me at which point you got stuck. I can’t write aTbRef for an audience of one (aka personal tuition) but I can fix structural errors if people can articluate what they are. “Don’t understand” doesn’t help in that regard. “I read something on URL of webpage but what does some term mean?” is something I may be able to fix.

I don’t accept that Add Displayed Attributes pop-over. This pop-over is opened from two different places using two different form. Both those are linked.

At the linked page it says View menu it says" Edit Key Attributes… Opens the current note’s Define new Key Attributes pop-over."

At the linked page Text tab * Add Key Attributes (‘+’) button. This opens the [Add Key Attributes] it says “(Add Displayed Attributes pop-over) pop-over, allowing addition and editing of the Key Attribute table.”

Both link back to the /AddKeyAttributespop-over which describes the UI

One aim of hypertext documentation is not to write the same fact several times over. In a knowledgebase like aTbRef where the app is under continual improvement/fix then if something alters we fix it once and not in N different places. The latter is a fool’s errand.

So, having read all the linked pages above, where—from the reader’s perspective—am I making an error? The question is not confrontational. I write aTbRef to help other users—such as yourself; it is also a meta-exploration of the challenge of documentation of complex tools in hypertext form. so, it’s been a learning experience since I started in 2004, and I’d like to think it has got better over time, not least due to actionable input for its readers.

Except they are not, at least not in the diagram you kindly posted. Could you perhaps post a picture -or link to something that does explain this mapping.

To me, and one who—albeit c.40 years back—trained in the Linnaean classification system, it still looks like an outline and not a simple ‘grid’. If I had to guess the outline level ($OutlineDepth in Tinderbox terms) in your digram might map to column, but it would help yo understand the rubric for that.

This is part of the genuine challenge in knowledge exploration tools mapping a minds-eye imagining onto the more hard-edged reality of the data at hand. I’m not sure that’s properly resolved yet for your data model. But, don’t think it can’t be. Sometimes hard things take longer than easy things. Been there… :slight_smile:

How is the reader going to guess where the (‘+’) button is. There is no reference to the page that the window comes from. I still don’t understand the picture on Add Displayed Attributes pop-over. It says the “current note” but where on the current note? The box before it is opened? The map view, or the text box? You probably have a clear definition of what you mean by current note, but I don’t. If you showed a picture with an arrow pointing to the plus sign, the rest would be obvious. I am probably the only person in the world who opens the plus sign and sees something that is very different from what is shown on your page. I don’t know how this operates, so I am confused. If you showed a picture of the plus sign, even if the opened window looked slightly different Add Displayed Attributes pop-over, I would think that I have located the object of the discussion.

I open the above page thinking what is a Key attribute? Somehow I am linked to Displayed Attributes table
This is a sample note, so I have never seen a table like this and am not sure how to make one.
The definition of a Key Attribute appears to be this sentence: "A note’s ‘Key Attributes’ are an optional display of a user-defined tabular layout of attribute title/value cells. Attribute names are in the left column, values in the right column; from v8.2.2 the width of the first column of the key attribute table now adjusts itself to accommodate long attribute names. The list can be re-ordered, items deleted and attribute value edited. "

What would I underline in this sentence to define key attribute? I don’t think it is a “display” or a “layout” Somehow, I don’t think I find a definition of the term. I suppose definitions are in another part of the explanation, but I don’t know that either. I googled “key attribute code”, and found that it is a computer coding term. But, I did not find a definition. Also, In this manual, I found no page of terms defined.

Really, I would not be searching around for a definition of terms because there are too many terms like this. In a sense, you are speaking French and I do not know French. Probably, if I were born in the computer age, I would be speaking your language. Groan. I am too old. Can’t fix that.

Take heart, Tinderbox and your explanations must be much better. Because when I started trying to learn Tinderbox is around 2012, I was much more lost than I am now. Then I was overwhelmed by the whole idea. Now, I am sick and tired of paying for upgrades and using TBX as if it were a tinker toy set. I know that what I want to do is possible.

A few more pictures placing the explanation in the physical context of the Tinderbox would not be a huge loss to you. If I understand the physical context, I can click around and situate myself a little better.

Also, your pictures of concepts are extremely helpful. That arrow drawing of Tinderbox-the system-a document-a part of the interface such an action and specific note certainly left an impression. I am not reproducing it correctly, but I got the basic idea. Different aspects of the program work at different levels.

Links that explain everything to you, leave me out in the cold because I do not understand the context. Mainly I am worried about how that explanation affects what I can do with TBX. So, I am stuck at the level of looking for the popout, etc that you are referring to.

Mark you asked, so I will try to explain. If I sound crazy or just unintelligible, please forgive me. I don’t really expect you to get it. Even in my field, what I am learning is pushing the envelope.

I sent you two photos. The table of the elements is the graph that I have been given. The Linnaean classifiction system is another photo. That works for plants, but the basic system that I am being taught to use is the table of the elements. The table of the element starts at the top with the smallest and most simple elements (Hydrogen and Helium). That is row 1. By the time you get to row 6, you have to deal with much larger elements. For elements, row 6 is divided into three parts. There are so many of them. In the history of the universe, these bigger heavier elements are newer.

If you place the Linnaean tree upside down on the table of elements, the most simple forms, algae are at in row 1. As the plants become more sophistocated, they also take on more forms. In terms of evolution, they also are newer.
Looking at the photo of the plants, each plant has a number before it. Between 100.00 and 500.00 the plants are more primitive. 620.00-650.00 are located in rows 2-5 respectively. Remember, the tree is upside down on the table. 660.00 suddenly becomes a proliferation of flowering plants. These are in Row 6.

As patients, these are much more complex and developed people. They are concerned with the state of the world, their spiritual destiny, leadership, big ideas etc. Their pathologies are also deeper and more complex.
Row 5 contains the medicines/elements/herbs that will help the people who are interested in supporting the the kings of the world in Row 6. They are concerned with culture, artistic expression, invention… You are probably in Row 5. They are the Queens of the world. Row 6 are the Kings. Row 4 is concerned with work. They want to run the village. They are the solgiers and craftsmen.

I know this has nothing to do with the normal way of thinking about medicine but stay with me.

All of these rows have their ways of expressing pathology too. But the pathology is better described in the columns. Malaria is in Column 5. It is not just the disease that is defined as Malaria transmitted by mosquitos, it is those diseases that appear periodically. The fevers etc., come and go in cycles. As you go further to the right of table, the pathologies become more distructive. Syphilis is in Column 17.

The place that patients are in their life cycle also changes with the columns. The naive person who believes that only his own existence matters and all happens like an accident is in column 1. By Column 10, the patient is in full control of his life. He is full of confidence even to the extent that he is haughty. As an example, if you go down the rows in Column, you come to an Platinum. Platinum is an arrogant leader, isolated by his own pride.
As an example, I gave the remedy Platinum to a young man recently. I found Platinum through a complex method that I can’t explain here. I thought, this guy does not look like Platinum. He is beaten down by life and has IBS. He does not fit what I described above as column 10. Then, as he was getting ready to go and I was preparing the remedy for him, he described his history of adolescent suppression of extreme violent anger using psychiatric drugs. Then, the whole case came together in my mind. Indeed, Platinum is curing his IBS. Also, as a patient, he is getting much easier to deal with. He says things like “Thank you”. In his pure Platinum state, he never would thank me for the extra 9 yards that I would run for him. He was much to arrogant deep down inside. He would not show that arrogance to me in the first interview, but over the next few month communicating with him, the Platinum character came out. Now it is healing.

So, the idea is that these stages of life, pathology and ways of existing in the world as a psychological social being can all be described on the table of elements. Putting the plants on that table is a bit hard to grasp, for you and for me. But, I have actually confirmed my remedy selection using this table. If I got better at at this form of analysis, I would be able to even select remedies using this complexly described table. I would be able to find rare plant remedies and help patients who I have come to a dead end with.

That’s why actually identifying notes with column and row value is important. The plant content can go in a 3 level outline, but these plants still need to be identified by column and row. I am just learning this system so sometimes I will be asking what are the remedies that fall into x column. That will tell me more about what x column means. I will ask to collect column 5 remedies and learn more about the traits of malaria.
I think Tinderbox will do a better job of this than DEVONthink. Maybe I am wrong. Maybe I should use tags for rows and columns of the table of elements in DEVONthink, and give up on TBX. My fear is I will end up with a huge number of tags. DEVONthink is holding my notes, and TBX will index the information just for this project, not for everything I do. DEVONthink sorts through everything. That is too messy.

Good point, I’d failed to notice the ‘=’ button wasn’t included in the screen grab. Fixed. Please re-check articles ‘Text tab’ and ‘Key Attributes table’. Note: you may need to refresh your web browser so the updatec page shows. Is this clearer now.

Where does the article say “current” note in this context? I am using the word ‘current’ in sense of currently selected, i.e. ‘that thing presently selected’, or ‘currently set’ as in the valie/choice presently saved. I find 4 references to ‘current’ note in the ‘Key Attributes table’ article relating to your question:

  • “…defaults to current system time…”. See macOS System Preferences →Data & Time (also seen in your Mac’s :

Er, what about “an optional display of a user-defined tabular layout of attribute title/value cells.”. That’s what I understand Key Attributes mean. What other interpretation of the sentence would you give. Key Attributes are:

  • optional. A note does not have to have Key Attributes.
  • tabular. If Key Attributes are used, they are show in the form of a table (i.e. ‘tabular form’)
  • the table takes the form of two columns. On the left the attribute name, or the right it’s title.

As you as the user define a Key Attributes table, surely the las bullet point is self-evident.

Forgive me for asking, and I mean this politely, but is the issue here that English is not your first language so some terms are unfamiliar? I don’t think I’m writing complex English and the articles are heavily cross referenced.

Context, how? The links generally imply, “to find out more about [link], click the [link]”.

Forgive me, I think you misunderstand. aTbRef is a resource I write in my own spare time and host at my own cost, for the benefit of my fellow users. I make genuine effort to improve the resource based on actionable information. Insults like “must be much better.” don’t incentivise me to help anyone; you’re not paying for my help, my time: why be so demanding? Is my role in the wordld simply to answer your questions? If so, why? I can and will improve the resource but please make some effort to understand it before dismissing the content out of hand. It also helps to make actionable input, i.e. input upon which I can actually take action.

I think you totally misunderstand the effort involved in making this resource. Making specific screen grabs with mark-ups takes significant time compared to writing textual explanations. Please be respectful of the effort involved.

I think that is rather disingenuous. You seem to follow ‘links’ here to make replies. If you don’t understand links, you don’t understand the Web, or hypertext. Tinderbox links are just hypertext. I think you are rather overcomplicating things to bolster your sense of non understanding.

Well, I think you should complain to the person telling you that because they clearly don’t understand they are giving you confusing information. I do hope you aren’t paying for such advice, in which case you definitely should complain.

That doesn’t makes sense. Please read up how the periodic table work, if you do you’ll realise how completely misguided your approximation is. If someone is telling you what you describe as fact, please understand they may have little understanding of science. In today’s parlance, it’s false science.

Indeed, these are row, as I duly stated some while ago up thread. But what are these supposed ‘columns’.

I’m getting lost. Is this Scientology? I’m a simple scientist. I can help with ideas within the bounds of reality. If this is about unicorns and crystals, then any useable logic falls away and normal logic doesn’t work and it’s so hard for me to help. This is not because I don’t want to help but I simply don’t understand the alternative reality involved. Lest you give up, do you have a colleague in your field who can perhaps explain your system’s method in terms closer to scientific logic? It might just be a case of terminology. By ‘scientific logic’ I’m not referring to your style of medicine, but the logic used to describe it.

If you have any factual questions about Tinderbox do please ask and I or others here will try to help. It may also help to start new forum threads for such questions. i think this thread may have run its course.

Dear Mr.Mark Anderson,

Thank you for making a polite observation about furnishing an answer in this Forum every time.
I have many lessons to learn about writing back an answer.
I can not believe you have such a long fuse, nature of human beings are not you.

At all events, aTbRef-8.tbx Japanese Translation is still going on in linking relations the way it was.

De novo mwra, please allow my back-seat driving.
I do not want to tug in a subject, strange to say why she does not uses anything else?Why not another tool to control ?
This is not to suggest that I do not have enough knowledge of Tinderbox how excellent potential exists to have.

Why not using “phylogenetic tree” or “Diagrams” or “???” with LaTeX?
Take a look those URLs.
TikZ and PGF examples
hier!! TikZ - TeX Wiki

TikZ examples tag: Diagrams

Periodic Table of Chemical Elements
Periodic Table of Chemical Elements | TikZ example
TikZ examples feature: Node positioning
TikZ and PGF examples
TikZ

=============Why not MEGA nor BLST ??

Phylogenetic tree - Wikipedia
分子系統樹作成方法
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I am writing to Mickey Mouse suggests, but same time back away from a proposal from this origin of the topic.
No answer is also an answer.
Respectfully, WAKAMATSU

I do not know how to answer. So, I am poking holes in the dark. I tried associating the prototype p_column to the agent. But, I have failed because the note 2 with a prototype of p_column does not come up inside the agent file.
find column==2.tbx (75.1 KB)
Sorry. There is no point in answering your further questions since the first question cannot be answered.

You test fails for two reasons:

The agent query. You’ve typed in the wrong code. You used:

$Column_2==2

Instead of the asked for:

$Column==2

So, the agent isn’t testing what you thought you were testing.

The $Column values. You can’t match a $Column value of 2 as no note has that value. Indeed, no note has any value for $Column as you have no attribute Column defined in your TBX.

So, the ‘fail’ is actually to be expected and showing correct function. Let’s try over and:

  • Create a user attribute of Number type called Column.
  • Set ‘Column’ as a key attribute for note ‘2’, and edit the value to 2.
  • In the agent ‘a_2’ correct the query, as I’m just explained above.

If you do that correctly, the agent with match a note with the $Column value 2, and it will make an alias of note ‘2’ as seen here (I’ve turned on outline view columns so you can see the values of $Column for each note):

Have another go. Start with the file you just uploaded. Make the corrections I describe as confirm if you get the agent to find anything.

How nice to see what the proper answer is supposed to look like. Unfortunately, I did not achieve your results.

What you are saying seems crystal clear, but I am missing something.

What does "edit value to ‘2’ mean? (see the quote above).

I added a Key attribute of 2, but Name=2 is red (see the photo below) so I assume that there is a problem. Although the meaning of Default in the photo below is unclear, I tried adding 2, but that is no doubt wrong. As a result, I got no answer. The default value for Name was 0. That yielded no answer either.