In this session, we explore Jerry Michalski brain. Jerry is a global technology thought leader and an expert on The Brain, a software note-taking app. Jerry has been developing his brain for over 25 years and has over 500K notes.
Great meeting! You may find it interesting @j3rry that some people (a single person?) are already working on the inter-tool protocol for collaboration between different PKM tools. â https://samepage.network
Thanks. A reflection I took away from the session was when @j3rry noted that he optimizes for efficiency/for spread in The Brain. I very much appreciate that point and Iâd love to find a way to do something similar with Tinderbox.
Iâm not sure how to articulate this exactly, but Iâd love to have a flattened link view (i.e., a flat hyperbolic) that would enable me to create notes and link associates with ease without the constraints the containers. I"m going to need to do some experimentation on this, try to see what I can make work. I suspect Iâm going to need some perspective shifts in my mind.
I tried playing with The Brain yesterday. Again, I really like the ease with witch you can create/collect notes an structure them, but I found the unfamiliarity of the UI challenging and, in the end, canât get my head around having to curate my interaction in two places, e.g., The Brand vs. Tinderbox. Tinderbox offers me so much flexibility Iâm struggling with how Iâd long-term effectively use The Brain. Iâm not sure I can, given that output is so important to me and getting stuff out of the Brain is so challenging.
I had a similar thought. I find hierarchies both useful (at times) and extremely irritating (at other times). It seems that TheBrain comes pretty close to solving that problem, though I havenât done much more than dabble with it at various times.
I guess TheBrain is basically an âEverything Bucketâ (at least, @j3rry seems to use it that way) from which you extract certain information in measured quantities when you want to do something with that information.
Yes, and this is where I then get stuck with The Brain. I love the ability to flatten the visualization of The Brain partent/child relationships and the quick navigation, but then it ends about there. Not ever attributes, not being able to explode, templatize, or export is so very crucial to my workflow.
Different tools for different purposes. Iâm a sporadic user of Tinderbox because most of the time I donât need the features it offers. Iâm no longer involved in academic work, and I donât write much these days, even for myself. But I do read and collect bits and pieces of material that seem interesting or pertinent to the psychotherapeutic work that I do. At the moment I just dump these into DEVONthink, which is a less than ideal way of doing things. What impressed me about the demo given by @j3rry was the very fluid way he could link material together and create a matrix of connections. I find that very attractive.
Nobody has mentioned the price of TheBrain â it is SO expensive. I have havered over taking out a subscription in the past, but have never been able to convince myself that it is worth it, for me.
Just to return to this for a moment, one of the things I like about Curio (yet another different tool, with different affordances and uses) is the fact that I can see an outline view of the whole file and also a mind map at the same time.
(And just to attempt to prevent @mwra from bursting a blood vessel, this not another one of those âWhy doesnât Tinderbox do what application x does?â If I want the features provided by Curio, I can use that!)
More tools are good. If X does a feature subjectively better than Y, use X. After all the aim of tools for thought is the enlightenment they give, not wasting hours quietly cursing our tools as we try to make them do things they maybe donât want to do. (Unless of course one like the latter!)
Your Brain can store an unlimited amount of all kinds of information. Write notes for all your ideas. Save files, web pages, images and even emails into TheBrain for instant access. Adding things is as simple as drag and drop.
Correct. But Michalski reported that his practice was to avoid that, and to maintain links to things stored elsewhere in the interest of compactness and speed.
Which may or may not be necessary with the power of modern computers.
I would imagine a TBX file could hold a lot more notes if the notes linked to the note content elsewhere. I suppose this is getting back to having the data separate and accessing it from many tools. Itâs just kinda nice to have everything in one place!
Realistically, a Tinderbox map is limited to thousands of notes. If you had a million notes, youâd likely have trouble visualizing it, even on a large array of large screens. At some point, you canât see the big picture because itâs too big, and if you do, the individual notes are too small to be useful.
The Brainâs neighborhood view avoids that by not offering any way to see the big picture. You see the immediate link neighborhood, and thatâs all.
That is really not an option when youâre working off a âsingleâ brain (i.e., TBX file) and curating assets (e.g., Zettles, atomic notes) across multiple projects (reports, books, articles, events, sales pipeline, etc). All these projects pull from common atomic notes. When you start getting to 1,000s of notes, some hierarchy structure in map view is useful. I guess one could gravitate to adornment and agents, but this âfeelsâ hard and difficult to scale.
I think a fundamental confusion here is that The Brain equates to Tinderbox Map view. Not so! It equates to Tinderbox Hyperbolic view. The Brain (only) shows linked items, has limited degree of choice as to the style/display of items and offers the user no control over the layout of the view. Tinderbox hyperbolic view uses a different layout algorithm, but functionally is much closer to The Brain than Map view. That might help stop us going ritualistically round the buoy on map view and containers.
I do think that people are confusing the piece with the performance. Jerryâs Brain is most impressive when Jerryâs âdrivingâ itâ . The latter doesnât devalue the content, but it does alter how we experience it. Anyway, without the author, itâs someone elseâs thoughts with all the rich and meagre spots youâd expect looking at parts we do donât ourselves know well. Heâs spot on about how the inability to share/merge that data (or experience/knowledge) with that of others limits its useâbut those are limits of current affordances rather than self-set limits. Also insightful is the author pointing out that heâs quite deliberately not using all The Brainâs features. Plus, c.35+ years experience of the tool is a relevant factor.
Taken together (author and âBrainâ) are pretty impressive; apart, the data alone is less tractable. But the same holds for viewing someone elseâs, zettelkasten, second brain, GTD, or simply a large TBX following no tightly-defined process. Too easily we overlook the human in the loop as the source of value and the inconvenient fact that the closer the fit of our data to ourselves the less well the fit to others; it one reason process travel less well than imagined.
â . Itâs faster and more responsive in demos and videos because I suspect heâs using The Brainâs desktop app and not the Web interface whichâat least for meâruns glacially slow. Of course, thatâs an issue of the display not the content.
Impressive, indeed â it was actually jaw dropping to watch him do more than merely demo his Brain â he was actually adding to and enhancing his Brain as we interacted.
I was surprised about the features he does not use such as the indexing and note functions â which for me are critical since my use of the Brain is more limited and focused as a research tool. In a sense my Brain is less of a map and more of a bridge in my workflow. As my Bookends collections of references continue to grow (41000+ as of today), and with DevonThink indexing every entry, what my Brain provides is a dynamic perspective that reminds me of the different topics and ideas related to each of the bibliographic entries Iâve made overtime.
Example: today I read an article on the difficulties the US federal system poses for more effective disaster relief. I made my Bookends entry (which was indexed in Devonthink) and entered the article as a Thought in the Brain Plex, linking it subject thoughts such as federalism, disaster relief, FEMA, etc. â concepts that already existed from previous entries. In the process related concepts and bibliographic entries popped up, leading me to other articles on collaborative arrangements among local governments and similar topics. Yes, I might have followed that path eventually, but the Brain facilitated the process visually.
No doubt TBX can be structured to do the same, but for me there is the âsunk costsâ factor (I have thousands of Thoughts in that particular Plex). My hope is to use TBX on the composing and output side of the workflowâŚ
If I want the features provided by Curio, I can use that!)
